Curse

Guardian of the Light · Dec 10, 2005, 09:20 AM // 09:20

For clarification I DO use all three weapons Ax, Sword and Hammer. I played a few builds including IWAY. What I don't get it why these IWAY warriors always think that AXE is the only warrior weapon that works in IWAY.

I've tried to find someone who favors ax only and will actually use FACTS!!!! So far all I'm getting is this:
"Sword is weak"= Myth
"YOUR A N00B!!!11"=BIG MYTH
"Axe does better spike damage= Debatable
"Axe does more basic damage"=Myth
"RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO YOU"= WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT GOT TO DO WITH THIS!

I'm finding this annoying

. I have NO idea

where the idea of "Ax only works in IWAY" came from but I think we should finally clear things up.

My View

Sword does work. Hammer does not (if my friend asks I am for hammer *whistles*).

My Arguements:

The sword elite 100 blades might actually do more damage then Evis in an IWAY situation because 100 blades multiples Order, Win and Pred damage by 2!

Sword:

(Order of Vampire+Order of Pain +Pred Season+Winn+Basic Damage) x 100 blades

(13+13+5+4+17)x2

Final Basic Damage: 104

Ax:

Order of Vampire+Order of Pain+Pred Season +Winn +Basic Damage+Extra Evis damage

13+13+5+4+17+34

Final Basic Damage: 86

(these values assume the attribute lvl is 12 in all results should be the same)

Sword wins! However I am not saying axe should be taken out if one ax warrior is using Evis then deep wound goes on and swords then can wait for orders to come out and they can attack the target to deal a large amount of damage.

Sword can put out cripple out faster then ax beause the sword cripple attack doesn't need another condition and is energy based. This can help.

Now if anyone doesn't have a good arguement against me we can tell these stupid axe warriors to accept Sword warriors

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rii · Dec 10, 2005, 09:38 AM // 09:38

Sword always does more (fairly sure) when you subtract the deep wound, so ya, agreement. Hammers under dark fury result in continuous knocklock, so ya, maybe 1 hammer. A lot of the less organised iways dont really focus, or have any teamwork at all. Therefore, since axe is the better damage on it own (under dark fury) most people choose it over the more supplementary sword.

mortalis doleo · Dec 10, 2005, 11:04 AM // 11:04

i think an iway should have 2 swords and 3 axes.

swords are useful, and do a lot of damage, but axes *do* cause more spike damage.

you account for eviscerate, but you forget the follow up executioner's strike...

imo, swords are the best condition spreaders, but axes should be the focus of iway.

Manfred · Dec 10, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

If you have people using axe already (2 is probably minimum), its sword time, because the axe's big spike comes from the deep wound, and sword has better damage that does not apply that deadly condition. (HB-galrath-final... under +60% IAS... ouch)

However, I did see one actually good use of hammer IWAY. Because hammer adrenal skills are so huge, uder IWAY they have a chance to charge up beautifully. the knockdowning combos with devastating and heavy blow can be done every 7 seconds.

evox the evil · Dec 10, 2005, 03:40 PM // 15:40

hammers r good for iway if u have dwarven battle stance or w/e because the tigers fury na iway shout make up for the loss of speed in tha attacks, plus the hammers look cooler than the axes

crimsonfilms · Dec 10, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

You forgot that Evis does Deep Wound - aka about 100 Health reduction for the average build.

pagansaint · Dec 10, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Except he isn't talking about a follow up attack AFTER he uses his elite.

Reading Comprehension FTW?

Guardian of the Light · Dec 10, 2005, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

You forgot that Evis does Deep Wound - aka about 100 Health reduction for the average build.

Last time I checked deep wound didn't stack

Remember I'm mostly against ax warriors jumping on the 1 guy that brings sword in IWAY.

Still even if you work Exicuters in and compare it with its closest brother Gasarath slash it doesn't change much.

Sword:
104+32= 136

Axe:
86+34= 120

Not to meantion Swords will probably use final which is better then Gasarath.

I am glad that some people are actually using facts

Phades · Dec 11, 2005, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Using this method of calculation, ranger spike would be the best overall. I also hope that no warrior goes into pvp with less than 15 in their weapon attribute. The sword is still dependant on the application of the deep wound from the axe to retain a parity. This causes skill use timing issues over time, opposed to mirrored skill use, which hampers damage over time and repeat spike calculations. The sword will lose to the axe if the order necro is shut down or killed by a far wider margin than it beat the axe even at 12 skill. All this shows is that the hundred blades skill needs approximatly a +12 damage bonus and apply a condition such as bleeding.

Guardian of the Light · Dec 11, 2005, 01:08 AM // 01:08

I see your point plades but evisicate has its own weaknesses.

Soothing Images will DESTOY ALL ax skills but it can't harm 100 blades. Also 100 blades can be put out as soon as you have enough energy. Evis can't do the same. This also applys to any anti adral skill.

I think swords can fit in IWAY and it might even help IWAY because it gives it a bit more variety and makes it less prone to weaknesses.

Also sword can use HAmstring and cripple that dang target fast.

twicky_kid · Dec 11, 2005, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

Also sword can use HAmstring and cripple that dang target fast.

hamstring is worthless with no cover condition

Blaine Derrick · Dec 11, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59

What is it with people not calculating deep wounds? Eviserate does around 100 damage AND reduces max and current health by 20%. So on a target with 500 HP (choosen for easy math), eviserate will leave them with 300 hp out of a max 400 HP.

Dmitri3 · Dec 11, 2005, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by Blaine Derrick

What is it with people not calculating deep wounds? Eviserate does around 100 damage AND reduces max and current health by 20%. So on a target with 500 HP (choosen for easy math), eviserate will leave them with 300 hp out of a max 400 HP.

Because Deep Wound don't stack.
You use about 2 axes, which spread Deep Wounds. Swords do the pure damage, nothing wrong about it.

Btw, Hundreds Blades can damage multiple foes at the same time - so you can spike all the ball formations - another plus for swords!
Definitely have half axes, half swords.

Guardian of the Light · Dec 11, 2005, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Well we're slowly killing each of the ax to sword rumours ^_^. I think we should see swords accpeted in IWAY in about a week

twicky_kid · Dec 11, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

Well we're slowly killing each of the ax to sword rumours ^_^. I think we should see swords accpeted in IWAY in about a week

does that really matter? iway is way over used. everyone and their mother packs some sort of counter or stategy against it.

Guardian of the Light · Dec 11, 2005, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

does that really matter? iway is way over used. everyone and their mother packs some sort of counter or stategy against it.

Then why are you posting here?

twicky_kid · Dec 11, 2005, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

Then why are you posting here?

swords draw back on attacks are too much to be considered fast dmg dealers. they can deal more dmg over time. only problem with that is high adrenaline cost and the best sword skill loses all adrenaline.

swords are better off using a non attack elite. best elite i've found for a sword so far is battle rage. rage lets you rely on adrenaline skills which allows you to use maintained enchantments on other party members. iway + battle rage now there's a no brainer.

its all really depending on your team what weapon to use just like any other build. axes are just easier to use and can drop a target the fastest.

Entropius · Dec 11, 2005, 06:59 AM // 06:59

The argument for mixing swords and axes is that multiple deep wounds aren't cumulative -- once you've already evisc'd someone once, more evisc is just an elite executioner's.

The argument that warriors after the first two should be something other than axe makes sense, simply so you don't waste deep wounds from multiple eviscerates.

There are some very effective sword warrior builds -- I think the zero-energy one with battle rage, maintaining dual succors and using purge signet, is probably the best. However, hundred blades is useful when orders and winnowing are available, as in an iway situation. It's got the side effect of quickly building adrenaline, of course.

Guardian of the Light · Dec 11, 2005, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

swords draw back on attacks are too much to be considered fast dmg dealers. they can deal more dmg over time. only problem with that is high adrenaline cost and the best sword skill loses all adrenaline.

swords are better off using a non attack elite. best elite i've found for a sword so far is battle rage. rage lets you rely on adrenaline skills which allows you to use maintained enchantments on other party members. iway + battle rage now there's a no brainer.

its all really depending on your team what weapon to use just like any other build. axes are just easier to use and can drop a target the fastest.

Look at: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/skill.php

If you notice ax and sword have the same amount of skills and the skills types in each cataogry (Condition, Damage and distruption) are the same too. Their just different.

I think Battle ragers or Florish Sword warriors would be good for IWAY. Florish might be better because it can recounter a lot of counter IWAY spells (the anti-iway guys are going to hate me now

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Use Florish to spam Pure strike and Seeking Blade and you have almost constant damage disrarding evasion and blockage

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2 Sword Warriors and 2 Ax warrior would be a bit more ideal in either case.

Phades · Dec 11, 2005, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

I see your point plades but evisicate has its own weaknesses.

Soothing Images will DESTOY ALL ax skills but it can't harm 100 blades. Also 100 blades can be put out as soon as you have enough energy. Evis can't do the same. This also applys to any anti adral skill.

Yeah, but its prone to being hamstrung by any form of energy denial, which the build is weak in considering the need to sustain the IAS via IWAY in addition to taking time out to renew all of those spirits ect that you elected to include within the comparison.